When Harry Met Sally - In A Nutshell(Listener Choice)

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So grab some popcorn and let's jump into this week's movie. Okay, let's discuss When Harry Met Sally. So this is part one, which we call the diagnostics.

So in this part we will look at the movie stats, we then look at the synopsis and we. We compare it to our own version of synopsis.

on Prime. It was released in: 1989

The genre is romantic comedy. Stars Billy Crystal, Meg Ryan, Carrie Fisher, Bruno Kirby, directed by Rob Reiner, written by Nora Efron, music by Harry Connick Jr.

As a performer in there. And Mark Shaman. There's your ranger. Budget was 16 million and it took 92.8.

Darren: 00:01:30

Yeah, it was good.

Marc: 00:01:31

Yeah, it did well. Impact. So let's have a look at the synopsis. Johnny Trotter has sent us his version of the synopsis.

Paul: 00:01:38

Go Johnny, go Johnny, go, go, go.

Marc: 00:01:41

So we'll do his first and then we'll look at the. We'll compare battle his against the official.

Paul: 00:01:45

So this is the listener synopsis.

Marc: 00:01:47

Yeah. Cool. He says Harry Burns and Sally Albright are two strangers who by chance keep meeting throughout their lives.

First on a long drive across America, then in airports, bookstores, and various other locations, becoming friends along the way. Will they be able to stay friends? Stay as friends? Or will their feelings make them become something more good? He's obviously been listening.

Yeah, he's kept it. He's kept the mystique there. Not given too much away.

Paul: 00:02:14

No, that nutshells it pretty well.

Marc: 00:02:16

for the official compare. In: 1977

Paul: 00:02:25

He's. He's my favorite.

Marc: 00:02:26

That's his alter ego. The Weekends yeah.

In: 1977

Eventually, they are forced to confront their true feelings for each other.

Darren: 00:02:53

Oh my God, is that dull?

Paul: 00:02:55

And you dare.

Darren: 00:02:56

And also kind of like a spoiler as well. Why are you telling me the whole story? Yeah, that's. That's horrendous.

Paul: 00:03:01

I think Johnny's is far better than that one.

Darren: 00:03:03

Yeah, Johnny.

Marc: 00:03:04

Yeah, because he, he kind of explained the plot and he didn't give too much away as the end.

Paul: 00:03:08

No. And. And Darren fell asleep during that synopsis.

Marc: 00:03:11

Yeah.

Paul: 00:03:12

So.

Marc: 00:03:12

Very good, very good.

Paul: 00:03:13

Damn you. Official synopsis.

Marc: 00:03:15

And later in the episode, it will be Johnny's. Worth a watch as well. On to the nutshell. So in a nutshell, what is this movie about?

Darren: 00:03:25

Just about relationships, isn't it? I mean, the, the tightest nutshell kind of description is can men and women be friends without sex getting involved? That's basically it.

ecause this movie came out in: 1989

Marc: 00:03:39

It's an ongoing, age old question that will never be answered.

Darren: 00:03:41

Exactly. And we still have relationships and where we're twitchy over the female best friend or the male best friend.

I see tons of discussions on this on podcasts and like Reddit, am I the asshole? Or whatever. So. Yeah, it's never really gone away. I don't think they even answered the question.

Marc: 00:03:59

No, they just prove that it's an unanswerable question. Yeah, it's like sometimes when men get girlfriends, they then drop out of their circle of the friends who are women. They just don't see them anymore.

And then if they go single again, then that comes back around. It seems to be a.

Darren: 00:04:13

Exactly. They break up and they knock at your door, oh, who's turned up again?

Marc: 00:04:16

I see a new girlfriend will come in. You know, a lot of women. Do I. Oh, okay.

Darren: 00:04:23

Yeah. Yeah.

Marc: 00:04:23

Does that hint that I should not be seeing. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, it does, it does. It's. It's very. Yeah, it's an endless debate.

Darren: 00:04:30

It is, totally. But that's really what it's about. Which is quite nice. It's a very focused film.

Marc: 00:04:35

Just, it's a. It's a comment basically on. On that. That sort of. That angle.

Darren: 00:04:39

And really, it's kind of a small cast. Really, it's just. It's. It's a. Yeah. Meg Ryan, Billy Crystal vehicle.

If you do not like the charm of Meg Ryan and Billy Cristian, you're going to struggle with this, I would assume, because it's their movie. Right. But. Yeah. Any thoughts, Paul? What you think it's about?

Paul: 00:04:54

I'm going to. This is probably one of the ultimate romance films. If you like. Your witty banter as well.

One of the things as I was rewatching it, which isn't a spoiler, it's more of a. If you like.

Marc: 00:05:06

Is this film you've seen a lot of times anyway.

Paul: 00:05:08

Yes.

Darren: 00:05:09

Okay.

Paul: 00:05:10

I've seen it a lot. I saw it as a kid and didn't get half the references.

Darren: 00:05:14

And when you say kid, what age were you?

Paul: 00:05:17

I was pretty young. Okay. I seem to remember being pretty young when I watched this. I just thought it was a good film.

Darren: 00:05:23

Yeah.

Marc: 00:05:23

And.

Paul: 00:05:23

And I. Yeah, most of the references went right over my head until I got older.

And then I'm like, oh, this is even better than I thought, really, what you film.

Darren: 00:05:30

And then you realize the female orgasm was actually a myth.

Paul: 00:05:33

I had no idea what that. No idea what that scene was about. Maybe we still don't. Who knows? But if you like. And this is the first time I've thought about it in this way.

I know you guys have both watched Seinfeld as well, but if you like that kind of Seinfeld humor.

Darren: 00:05:49

Yeah, that's valid.

Paul: 00:05:50

It's very kind of that punchy dialogue sitting around the coffee table, George and. George and Jerry shooting the shit.

As I was rewatching it this time, it's the first time I thought, yeah, it's really got that Seinfeld sort of vibe to it.

Marc: 00:06:03

There's that one episode in Seinfeld where there's, like. There's this, the friendship. And then he's like. Then there's that pointing to the bedroom. If we can combine this with that.

Paul: 00:06:10

With that. Yeah, but we need rules, so this doesn't get in the way with that. So. And also.

Marc: 00:06:16

But quite often it does.

Paul: 00:06:17

Castle Rock. I realized this at the end. Castle Rock kind of produced it. And they produced Seinfeld as well. Maybe there's a link there. I don't know.

But if you're into that kind of witty, bantery humor of Seinfeld, but also Early Friends as well. Early Friends was very much like, in that mold. It kind of got daft. I love Friends, but you'll Know what I mean?

If you're a Friends fan, the first series is very kind of relationship bantery, sort of in that Harry Met Sally kind of vein. So. And if you're a fan of romantic comedies and you haven't seen this one, I feel like this is the one you need to see.

Marc: 00:06:46

Yeah.

Paul: 00:06:46

This is like one of your clever.

Marc: 00:06:49

It's up there. Which is written one standard of romantic comedies that you should probably watch.

Paul: 00:06:54

But yeah, if you like your rom coms, you need to see it.

If you like that kind of witty humor of talking about relationships and that kind of thing like Seinfeld and your early friends, I think you'll enjoy this.

Marc: 00:07:02

It's also about how relationships change and how people change over time. That's how like the timeline of them keep. When they. When they meet a few years later, things have changed. They've changed. It's kind of that.

That's the continuing arc is the two of them, not just their relationship with them as. As individuals.

Paul: 00:07:17

Yeah, that's. That's, that's true. People at different points in the time and how maybe it clicks over here, but doesn't click there.

I think there's a lot of first impressions.

Marc: 00:07:26

Totally wrong.

Darren: 00:07:26

Yeah.

Marc: 00:07:27

I mean, if you met someone when you're a teenager, it's gonna be different in your 20s, when you're in 30s, when you're in your 40s.

Darren: 00:07:31

Yeah. But it' it takes men a while.

Paul: 00:07:33

To grow up randomly this. And I don't know if you'll agree with me this or not. No, let me say it first.

But like, you know, Quentin Tarantino's action films have them things like where they're talking about the Mac and cheese.

Darren: 00:07:47

Yes.

Paul: 00:07:48

Fiction and that kind of thing. And it's again, I'm saying Seinfeld is the best example of this. It's like it's.

It's about nothing in a lot of times where it's just them sat talking about stuff in a cafe. But the way it's done is so brilliantly written.

Darren: 00:08:02

Yeah.

Paul: 00:08:02

And performed that you just invested in the way like, you know, okay, they're talking about cheeseburgers in pulpit. What's this got to do? And then you just invested. So it reminded me of that. It's like the romantic comedy of the querent Quentin Tarantino.

I don't know what I'm trying to say. But you. You know what I mean?

Darren: 00:08:18

You're saying it with conviction though, so.

Paul: 00:08:20

Yeah. Well, there you go.

Marc: 00:08:21

We embrace what you're saying.

Paul: 00:08:23

Embrace it. Embrace it. Yeah. It's Very wittily written and it's kind of. It's a film about nothing and everything.

Marc: 00:08:29

I feel like we mentioned Seinfeld quite a lot. Meant to do like a bonus episode on Seinfeld at some point. I do love Seinfeld and its impact on everything. Yeah. Anyway. Anything else?

Darren: 00:08:40

No, that's. It's a pretty simple, straightforward movie.

Marc: 00:08:43

Yeah.

Darren: 00:08:43

It's Battle of the Sexiest, Men of Mars, Women of Venus.

Paul: 00:08:47

And it's also not too long. It's about 90 minutes on the mark. It's 100. It's 1 hour 30. And it just feels the absolute perfect rom com type length.

Marc: 00:08:58

Let's move on to the ratings and the reviews. Let's do the ratings. So start. Rotten tomatoes. Critics review 91.

Darren: 00:09:06

Yeah, right.

Marc: 00:09:07

Oh, user is not far behind. 89.

Darren: 00:09:08

It was, I think was nominated for an Academy Award, an Oscar for the best script.

Paul: 00:09:13

I think very well.

I think somewhere in one of my facts of the day, which I'll just tell you now, I think they put it in, you know, where they take a film and they say this is an important. Literally work. And they put it in the museum, whatever, arts or something. I believe it's in one of those. Yeah.

Marc: 00:09:30

IMDb 7.7 Metacritic critics review 76 out of 100 users was 8.7 out of 10. People like it solid, Very well received. So we picked a cross section as always.

So Robert Ebert of the Chicago Times praised the film, stating it's witty and epigrammatic and there are lots of lines to quote when you are telling friends about the movie. He also highlights the chemistry between the leads. Harry is played by Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan is Sally.

And they make a good movie couple because they both actors and are able to suggest genuine warmth and tenderness.

Darren: 00:10:03

I think that's. I mean, Roger Ebert is like a God of film critics, but I think that's a little bit over the top. I think. I think Billy Crystal is kind of.

Well, Billy Crystal's just being Billy Crystal. I'm not sure he. He's got the kind of a comedian's charm, but I don't think he got across that much warmth.

Marc: 00:10:20

It felt like he was just playing a stereotypical man at the time.

Darren: 00:10:22

Yeah. Whereas Meg Ryan, I think, had much more range and did the bulk of.

Marc: 00:10:25

The heavy lifting, but that's just reverence. Men versus women.

Darren: 00:10:28

Yeah, Tony, Yeah. Women doing all the work.

Marc: 00:10:33

Okay. So.

Karen James of the New York Times offered a more critical perspective describing the film as an often funny but amazingly hollow film that romanticized lives of intelligent, successful, neurotic New Yorkers.

She further characterized it as the sitcom version of Woody Allen film, full of amusing lines and scenes, all infused with an uncomfortable sense of deja vu.

Darren: 00:10:54

That is really good that you did that, that you got a male perspective and a female perspective.

Marc: 00:10:59

It made sense. And one more person too, of course.

Darren: 00:11:02

Yeah. Let's hear it. Let's hear the Is it going to be.

Marc: 00:11:06

He just simply has. He's put sharp writing and enduring appeal. It was a must watch upon its release and it's a must watch today.

Paul: 00:11:13

Bit drivers. Oh, it's on the money. Well, ish.

Marc: 00:11:17

Sometimes he doesn't mess around, sometimes he goes in depth. Today just says, yeah, it's good. Watch it. Basically.

Darren: 00:11:23

Yeah.

Marc: 00:11:24

Okay, let's head on into spoiler territory. So this is part two of the podcast. So we have what did we miss? And Test of Time. In what did we miss? We. I say we.

Darren will challenge the way you see this movie and reveal what you may have missed when watching the movie, Even if you've seen it a lot of times. In Test of Time, it can go either two ways. If it's an older movie, we'll work out or we'll discuss what would happen if it was released today.

And if it's a modern movie, we'll discuss what would happen if it was at least 25 years ago. So in what did we miss, Darren, what have you got for us?

Darren: 00:11:58

I've got barely anything because I don't think there's that much going on behind what we see. I mean, it's a Rob Reiner film, which is a great director. He's did Princess Bride, Princess Bride and Stand By Me, I think, which are great movies.

And Billy Crystal's also in Princess Bride, so there's that connection.

Paul: 00:12:16

Have fun starving. The castle boys.

Darren: 00:12:18

Yeah, totally that guy. So.

So there's some nice filmmaking in terms of framing and things like that, but other than that, there's not that much going on other than it's a little bit ahead of its time in some ways. Like I really like the fact that Billy Crystal's character is. Has it. Basically it's all about having an anxiety attack on a date.

He's like, you know, I have a. Having a full blown like anxiety attack right there at dinner. I said, oh, that's unusual. And that is quite Woody Allen actually.

Marc: 00:12:45

But yeah, a bit of his complexity to the character.

Darren: 00:12:48

Yeah, a little bit ahead of his time, which was nice. It was interesting. When you were reading the synopsis out in the films, the names Came up because it's Sally Albright.

So, of course, like, she's like the happy, optimistic, sunny character. And Harry is Harry Burns.

Marc: 00:13:06

That's good. I like that.

Darren: 00:13:07

But other than that, it's hard because a lot of the stuff we're seeing is just quite stereotypical. But it was. It's not the first romantic comedy.

You can go back to things like almost like Bringing Up Baby to a certain extent, which is a scribble comedy, but it's kind of romantic comedies in the 40s. But this has really got the conventions down. It's got the sarcastic best friend brilliantly played by Carrie Fisher, who I am sure.

Well, I'm not sure the timings, because when did Drop Dead Fred come out after this?

Marc: 00:13:34

1990S. It was like 94.

Darren: 00:13:36

It wouldn't have surprised me if Drop Dead Fred and this were being shot on a lot back to back. And she walked out of this film into Drop Dead Fred and played exactly the same caravan with the same wardrobe, the same haircut.

Marc: 00:13:49

She does it where she is exactly the same.

Darren: 00:13:51

Sleeping with a married man and whining that you want to.

Marc: 00:13:53

Every scene was, he'll never leave her.

Paul: 00:13:56

No, you're right.

Marc: 00:13:59

That's funny.

Darren: 00:13:59

Like, so she's got the. She's got the sarcastic best or anything, which is cool.

Paul: 00:14:03

On 91. Drop Dead Fred. So it wasn't that far off.

Marc: 00:14:06

Two years apart.

Darren: 00:14:07

Yeah. And then. And then another convention is that you have the race to stop the person. So you've got to race to the wedding to kind of stop the wedding.

You got to race to the airport to get them before they. They leave. And you have races towards the New Year's party to say it. So there's not a great deal that I think most people have missed. It was.

I just think it's a bit. Yeah, it is what it is, I guess.

Marc: 00:14:30

Simplistic compared to some movies. I mean, some movies go out of their way to have, like, leave the world behind. I mean, there was so much going on.

Symbolism and things that you might have missed and things go behind the scene, things. Dual things happen at the same time. There's none of this and that. It's literally focusing on these characters.

Darren: 00:14:44

Yeah. And a lot of it, it's just kind of. It makes me think that not much has change.

I mean, there's a bit at the beginning where they're arguing over Casablanca and she's saying that it was the. I can't remember which one way they were arguing. I think she's saying that she should have Left and not stayed with Rick.

And he's like, what are you talking about? Like, that's crazy.

Paul: 00:15:03

Then she denies it. She likes a few mini. I'd never say that.

Darren: 00:15:06

But her reasoning was it wouldn't be a good choice to date a man who runs a bar. And I feel like there's a lot of kind of discussion online now.

Marc: 00:15:13

It's like a snobbery kind of thing.

Darren: 00:15:14

It's like a snobbery like. Well, you know, it's like now it'd be like, well, a man has to have like six figures or a job as a job.

Marc: 00:15:21

That's the other way to look at it.

Darren: 00:15:22

Yeah. And so. And so it's interesting that that was in there. Even though she later denies what she said.

Marc: 00:15:26

Well, it's like him, she reminds him that he said men and women can't be friends without sex. And he goes, I didn't say that. Yeah, I didn't say that. So they've flipped that they both have that reference over each other.

Darren: 00:15:34

Yeah, I liked all the cute couple stuff. That was stuff I. And that was also frustrated me. But that's maybe more for the next section because they were like, you know, I said that.

I said to my friend, I'm going to marry her. And then two weeks later we were married. Fuck.

Marc: 00:15:50

When it goes to the older couples talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. That does happen. Yeah, it does back then, anyway.

Darren: 00:15:55

Yeah, totally.

Marc: 00:15:58

Anything else to add?

Paul: 00:15:59

So I watched this film with Rob Reiner, not literally, but on the DVD commentary.

Marc: 00:16:06

I had him round for a brew. Watch the film.

Paul: 00:16:08

It was like having him round for a brew.

So I watched it with the director's commentary, which was great because I've seen this film a lot over the years, so I can quote most of it off the top of my head anyway. Pecan pie. But I won't. I won't do another listeners.

But there's lots of kind of stories behind the scenes of how they came up with the stories and things. So a lot of it was based off Rob Reiner himself.

Darren: 00:16:31

Yeah.

Paul: 00:16:31

Who just broke up. So he was in Single World and it was about him dating and things like that. And then I learned through the commentary that he actually met his.

I meant to look up if he's still married to her, but he met his next wife, shall we say, on whilst he was making this film. Like his story came true whilst he was making the film. Nora Ephron obviously wrote the film.

Billy Crystal did lots of ad lib in and even made Ryan through ideas and like the famous scene in the diner kind of came out of conversations between Nora Ephron and Meg Ryan.

Darren: 00:17:02

Really? That's interesting.

Paul: 00:17:04

In the commentary, Rob Reiner basically says that the fake orgasm scene and everything came from Nora Ephron. But Nora Ephron kind of credits Meg Ryan because they were all discussing it and then they decided that's how the scene would go.

The line, I'll have what she's having apparently came for Billy Crystal, because it probably wouldn't.

Marc: 00:17:22

It.

Darren: 00:17:22

That's interesting because that scene for me is like the chest burster scene in Alien.

Paul: 00:17:27

Yeah.

Darren: 00:17:27

Like it's the scene that kind of makes the movie. Oh, now we're into a movie. I haven't seen something like this before.

Marc: 00:17:33

Yeah.

Darren: 00:17:33

So it's interesting. That came out kind of almost ad libbed.

Paul: 00:17:36

It sounds like a lot of. A lot of it was kind of collaboration, especially between Rob Reiner and Nora Ephron. The bits about her ordering. That's Nora Ephron.

That's what she used to order. Things like in restaurants. And Rob Reiner was like, what the hell? That's the nutiest way I've ever seen anyone order anything.

Darren: 00:17:53

Yeah.

Paul: 00:17:54

And that went straight into the character. So there was lots of stories.

Marc: 00:17:57

High maintenance.

Paul: 00:17:58

Yeah. And then of course there's the Billy Crystal improvisation scenes and things which were those. Oh, so many discussed.

Marc: 00:18:08

I didn't know.

Darren: 00:18:08

I bet that New Year thing was ad libbed as well.

Marc: 00:18:11

Well, I didn't pick up any. Any of that. The.

Paul: 00:18:14

The ending, apparently when he got to the ending, apparently they did shoot a scene and it wasn't quite working still. So they reworked the script a lot until they came with.

Now, the scene that you see in the film where they have the big speech and everything, that's obviously very.

Marc: 00:18:27

Is he renowned for his sublibs? Is that something. He's a comedian.

Paul: 00:18:30

Yeah. Yeah.

Marc: 00:18:31

Got you.

Paul: 00:18:32

So. So there's a bit actually when he's doing the whole. And I'd be proud to partake in.

Marc: 00:18:35

Your peak and high.

Paul: 00:18:37

There's a bit where Meg Ryan almost looks off camera.

Marc: 00:18:39

Yeah, now you mentioned it.

Paul: 00:18:41

And he just was like, yeah, go with it.

Marc: 00:18:42

Wacky.

Paul: 00:18:43

Yeah. So lots of stuff behind the scenes. And also the. The scenes that we were just on about, the cutaway scenes of the couples.

Initially he recorded proper couples with their stories, but apparently they weren't very good with camera presence particularly so it's their stories. So they're all real stories. But he got actors into then.

Darren: 00:19:03

That's good because I thought. I didn't recognize the actors.

At the beginning I was like, these real stories because they're really, they're really cute and adorable, but you really winded me up.

Marc: 00:19:10

I read that they were all, all relatives of team production team, film crew.

Paul: 00:19:14

People in the crew.

Marc: 00:19:16

All relatives of people connected to the film. I didn't know that. They didn't. That wasn't actually them.

Paul: 00:19:20

No.

Marc: 00:19:21

Okay.

Darren: 00:19:21

Later on, there's an actress that I recognize. I was like, ah, you are actually actors. So I'm really pleased. They're true stories. And he's adorable.

Paul: 00:19:27

I know.

Marc: 00:19:27

And you'll be, you'll be happy to know that he is still married to Marie. No, Michelle.

Paul: 00:19:32

Oh, there you go.

Darren: 00:19:33

He's a really lovely guy. He's this big barrel of a man with a big beard. He's so sweet.

Paul: 00:19:38

The other bit is when Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan do their cutaway scene at the end where they're talking about. We're in spoilers on, aren't we? Yeah, you know, big, big spoiler. They have coconut wedding cake, kids.

But when they're doing all that, that's all ad libbed. Apparently that wasn't scripted.

Darren: 00:19:54

She's like, I hate you. Yeah, yeah.

Paul: 00:19:59

And the other thing is Rob Bryner, which he does apparently on most his films, is they had like two weeks rehearsing everything before they actually filmed anything. Which makes sense with the timing of things because there's one shot in it that he talks about where it's a one shot.

And I didn't even think about it until I heard it with Rob Reiner telling you about it. Where he's on the. What they call the airports where they're on the not escalator. That kind of thing where the track.

Marc: 00:20:23

Thing, like till you go faster.

Paul: 00:20:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's all one shot. And it's when he's doing the quite complicated speech all around, like men and women can't be friends.

Marc: 00:20:31

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Paul: 00:20:32

You know, ah, woman friend. And that was all done. I think they said they had six takes of that or something like that.

Yeah, they did about six takes of that and picked the best one. And then. See, I told you I had lots of stuff behind the scenes.

Darren: 00:20:45

Yeah, yeah.

Paul: 00:20:45

The other scene that you don't think is complicated because it's done so well is the four way conversation.

Darren: 00:20:52

Yeah, the split screen ones.

Paul: 00:20:53

The split screen ones. So they did that all live and rehearsed it all so everyone could hear everyone else.

But they had to get everything in the right synced up, synced in the right order.

Marc: 00:21:05

It Was good. The bit of the two of them. There's the scene with the two of them on the. In their own beds.

Paul: 00:21:08

Yeah.

Marc: 00:21:09

Split. Screened it so it looked like they were in bed together.

Paul: 00:21:10

And that came out of. Rob Reiner used to do that with Billy Crystal. They would watch movies together and be on the phone.

And that's where they got that idea from and said, oh, we should do that with them.

Darren: 00:21:20

I remember doing that with Red dwarf in the 90s with my friends.

Paul: 00:21:23

Oh, there you go.

Darren: 00:21:23

We would just ring them. Are you seeing this? It's all fake. It's a simulation. It's a game.

Paul: 00:21:28

It's a game. I remember that episode. Yeah, so. So that was a complicated. The one where it went with the four screen.

Apparently they did like 60 takes and they got it on like take 55 or take 60 or something like that. But they said that was a technique. He said, of all the things I've done.

And like you say he's done Princess Bride and things like that, but he said that was one of the most technical things. Sorry. So many facts of the day sitting there watching.

Marc: 00:21:50

Keep them coming. Fire them at us.

Paul: 00:21:52

So apparently Billy Crystal's Uncle Bern was dressed as Santa Claus in the scene where the Santa Claus. That's his uncle. There you go.

Darren: 00:21:57

Nepotism.

Paul: 00:21:58

Nepotism.

Marc: 00:21:59

Yeah.

Paul: 00:21:59

Just in case you wanted. Yeah, the. He was talking about the big laugh that, you know, like you said, the big I'll have, which he's having.

I'm clearly going to say that as my send off at the end. But apparently the laugh was so big from that. The next scene goes. And it's a bit of a montage scene. And he was.

Rob Reiner was saying, when I've watched this in screenings, you know, Harry Connick junior's songs kicking in or. No, it was someone else singing at that point. He's like.

But you just didn't hear the song for like another three minutes because everyone was laughing that much still at that scene. That's cool because it was such a mic drop.

Darren: 00:22:35

It was a good scene. Like, I knew it was coming and I was like, oh, is she gonna pull this off? Yeah, exactly.

I say, now, you know, I watched that when I was a lot younger. Now I'm a sophisticated man with the various experiences like, is this gonna land? But actually she really pulls it off.

I thought, is it bad that I'm saying that I recognize a fake orgasm?

Paul: 00:22:55

I'm going to comment on any of that.

Darren: 00:22:58

But yeah, that's what they sound like, fake orgasms.

Marc: 00:23:01

Just a really good actress.

Darren: 00:23:03

Yeah.

Paul: 00:23:03

And then the director of cinematography is Barry Sonnenfeld who became a director as well and he worked on Men in Black films. He did the Addams Family films from the 90s and various other things.

And they were talking about the kind of the look of the film and it's very kind of not playing but it's kind of warm colors and everything else.

But he just let the actors do the thing and you know, Rob Reiner was saying he doesn't like to go over the top, he just likes to shoot the thing, tell the story. And you don't really think about it when you're watching the film. And that's probably what's quite nice.

Like even the transitions where you go from all these years, don't you? You've got like five year gap and then the next one.

It all feels quite natural the way they did it and it doesn't dwell on it too long and it snaps through it.

Marc: 00:23:46

It also didn't spoon feed you coming up five years later.

Paul: 00:23:48

No, it did.

Marc: 00:23:49

I think it did it once because it was a big gap.

Paul: 00:23:51

Does it?

Marc: 00:23:51

But it's every, every time, every time it went through a different gap. It didn't tell you there was a gap yet.

Darren: 00:23:56

Yeah, but the hairstyles changed dramatically.

Marc: 00:23:58

But considering it was filmed, they did it well, considering it was filmed at the same time.

Paul: 00:24:02

Well, he talked about that a bit as well. You know how they would try to do the different hairstyles to make it look.

Marc: 00:24:07

Because her hairstyles alone is what tells you how old this when they try to set it.

Paul: 00:24:11

Yeah, yeah. But he talked about, which I never thought about, he talked about the costume in it.

He was saying how, you know, they always give awards out for costume in when it's, you know, period dramas or sci fi or something that's out there. He said, but it's actually really hard to do contemporary costume in.

And when you think about it, because I know we'll do Test of Time in a bit, but yeah, it's a bit 80s, it's a bit 90s and everything, but it still kind of holds up. There's nothing in there that's all right. Billy Crystal's jumpers at one point get a bit like. But that'll probably roll around again.

So he was talking about costum in it at some point and his favorite shot was the one.

And then I'll shut up about what Rob said because like I've got like four, I've got four pages and you know, we've been on for 40 minutes, but cut out what you want. But his favorite scene is the scene where they're both in bed where Meg Ryan. They've both slept together for the first time.

And Meg Ryan's kind of Billy Crystal's face just says it all. Yeah.

Marc: 00:25:08

He's looking like. What he said in the past is like, I can't wait to get out of here.

Darren: 00:25:11

Yeah.

Marc: 00:25:11

Do I give it a minute? Do I give it 30 seconds? How long?

Paul: 00:25:13

How long do I hold her? Yeah.

Marc: 00:25:15

So he was trying not to do that, wasn't he?

Paul: 00:25:17

Yeah. Is that what all men think? Yeah, all of us.

So, yeah, there was lots of tidbits behind the scenes of how it was a personal film and how lots of the story actually came out of his own experiences and ended up on the screen.

Marc: 00:25:31

Some good quotes in this movie. You got some quotes? I've picked up one that maybe laugh from one of the old couples when they've been interviewed.

When there was an old woman saying, oh, he came. He came over the dance floor. I thought he was going to talk to my friend because everyone wants to talk to her. But he cared to talk to me.

And he said, hello, my name's Such and Such, and I'm with Such and Such. And then she was like, oh, yeah, that's it. And then he looked at it, she looked at him and went, you know when. It's a good melon.

Paul: 00:25:55

Yeah.

Darren: 00:25:56

Nice.

Marc: 00:25:58

Those little couples were quite endearing. I like those. I like those touches to the film.

Darren: 00:26:02

There's a horrible line where someone says, I don't know if I ever loved you. Is that when Billy Crystal knows he's. Billy Crystal's wife is breaking up with him.

Marc: 00:26:10

Yeah.

Paul: 00:26:10

He.

Marc: 00:26:10

No, he's telling his friend at the baseball game. You know, they keep standing up to.

Paul: 00:26:13

Do the Mexican wave. Apparently that happened to Rob Reiner and his mate. That's an actual thing.

Marc: 00:26:17

That's a Seinfeld thing as well. Keep putting things in that actually happen to people. They're not just made up. Yeah, yeah. He was telling. He was spilling his.

It's juxtaposition of, like, spilling his heart out in this weird environment.

Darren: 00:26:28

And there's a bit where Sally cries and she's like, I'm gonna be 40. And he's like, in eight years. Yeah. She's like, some.

Paul: 00:26:38

Okay, but it's there. Some of the ones I've got. I never considered not sleeping with you a sacrifice. Are we becoming friends now? Great. A woman friend.

Marc: 00:26:49

Yeah.

Paul: 00:26:50

Kind of nodding himself.

Darren: 00:26:52

She says at one point, you're a human affront to all women, and I am a woman.

Paul: 00:26:55

Yeah.

Marc: 00:26:56

Yeah. There's the famous quote of, oh, I'll have what she's having.

Darren: 00:27:00

The other one is, which I found personally irritating, is when she was talking about the good sex she's had with Sheldon, and he's like, you didn't have good sex with Shelton. Like, nobody has good sex with Sheldon. Sheldon. What? My. Yeah. And as a guy called Darren, I have huge issues with.

This is why I very nearly changed my name to Jack.

Marc: 00:27:19

He has issues with it because it's true.

Darren: 00:27:23

Just.

Marc: 00:27:24

Yeah, well, Big Bang Theory is it. That's got Sheldon in it.

Darren: 00:27:28

Yeah. It's like nerds.

Marc: 00:27:29

It's kind of like, you know, they're going with that sort of stereotype, aren't they?

Paul: 00:27:34

And. And the bit where.

Marc: 00:27:35

Anyone listening? If you're Sheldon and you're a stud and you've got loads of women.

Darren: 00:27:38

Yeah. Send in a reference from your girlfriend or boyfriend so that we can decide if this is true. You need to spell that primary research.

Marc: 00:27:44

And you can state that that movie was wrong.

Darren: 00:27:46

I have indeed rocked someone's life.

Paul: 00:27:50

Well, that symptom is my wife.

Darren: 00:27:53

Oh, yeah.

Marc: 00:27:54

Yeah.

Darren: 00:27:55

That was a good quote.

Marc: 00:27:56

Yeah, that was impactful. That.

Paul: 00:27:57

That and the bit where he's talking about, like, oh, you can't be friends with women that you find attractive. And then he keeps talking, and then he's eventually like, nah, you pretty much want to nail them, too.

Marc: 00:28:08

Oh, yeah. What if they're unattractive? Yeah, you probably want to nail them, too.

Paul: 00:28:11

Yeah.

Darren: 00:28:11

But he is a dick. He's a dick character. Like, I. I'm actually.

Paul: 00:28:15

They were going for Kaddish. Kaddish. Rob Reiner's words.

Darren: 00:28:19

No, they.

Paul: 00:28:20

Likable cad.

Darren: 00:28:20

He said, meg Ryan can do better. Sally Albright can do better. Better.

Marc: 00:28:26

Okay, let's go for takeaways. What did we think? Darren, I'll start with you.

Darren: 00:28:31

I. I have watched this. I love Rob Reiner. At the time, I had a huge crush on Meg Ryan.

Liked Billy Crystal because he'd been in City Slickers watching this. I just, like, I. I felt like a zombie. I felt like I was being sedated, and I was just like, oh, my God, this has dated so much.

Marc: 00:28:50

And how long has it been since you've seen it? It.

Darren: 00:28:51

Oh, it would. Oh. Before I did my degree. I would imagine so. Oh, God, I keep forgetting how old I am. Like, maybe 30 years. 30 years.

Marc: 00:29:00

Maybe 30 years.

Darren: 00:29:01

Wow. I would have seen it in the 90s at some point. Late 90s probably. So, yeah, like it didn't lie.

And those bits, like the bit where he's talking about what does old land sign mean? I was like, that's just really. That's the best you've got? Come on. I, I, I, Yeah, I got nothing from it.

And you know, but also I'm, but you know, I've recently broken up with someone, so I'm watching a romantic comedy.

Marc: 00:29:23

Difficult time for you to watch it.

Darren: 00:29:24

I'm just like couples falling in love.

Paul: 00:29:29

Well, even Rob Reiner thought that about the ending. At first he said, he said, oh, we've gone a bit too far with the schmaltz. But then he's watched it since then.

Now he's married and everything and he really likes the ending.

Darren: 00:29:40

Harry says happiness is an illusion at some point. So you're going to be arguing over who gets the toaster. Like, yeah, I think that bring that kind of venom, Harry and this wagon.

Paul: 00:29:49

Coffee table.

Darren: 00:29:50

Yeah, totally.

Marc: 00:29:51

Paul.

Paul: 00:29:52

Yeah. I love Harry Met Sally.

Marc: 00:29:54

Okay. It's an absolute, one of your faves.

Paul: 00:29:56

It's an absolute classic. If I had to pick a favorite rom com, that would be the one that came in my mind.

Darren: 00:30:00

Four winners in the funeral. Notting Hill.

Paul: 00:30:02

Yeah, I'd take Harry Met Sally.

Darren: 00:30:04

Wow.

Paul: 00:30:04

But again, maybe that's because I've grown up on it. There's that nostalgia factor. My crush on MC Ryan probably helps as well.

And then watching it and kind of getting a different take on it as I get older and getting the jokes that were obviously meant for adults but seen as a kid and not really getting them and going over my head.

But yeah, I just think it's very much in that humor that I like, that Seinfeld humor, that talking about stuff, even the thing that Darren just said, I always find funny because every New Year's Eve I think of Billy Crystal going like, what is this song even about? Do we forget the friends or did we. Yeah, I'd like all that stuff.

So I, I think it's still going to be one of those, yeah, maybe it's dated a little bit now.

Marc: 00:30:45

Well, look at the, the ratings as we do with all, all of these have been reviewed over a long period of time. Yeah. About 8.8 or whatever. So it's still playing his reviews from when it came out all the way up to now.

Paul: 00:30:57

Yeah.

Marc: 00:30:57

Thousands and thousands of views. So it gets a very good average.

Paul: 00:31:00

So, yeah, I, I, yeah, I love this film and it's one of my favorite rom coms and it's up there with Notting Hill and stuff for me, but I would probably still pick this one above it just because of the band.

Marc: 00:31:13

Time. So this was released in: 1989

Darren: 00:31:19

It would. I don't think it would do well because a lot of this is. Even though it's still relevant now, it's kind of.

Marc: 00:31:26

We discussed at the beginning that it's just. It's. It's covering issues that are still relevant today. You Maybe even more. But, yeah, it's. I don't know.

Is it done in a way that would hold up today?

Darren: 00:31:35

No, and I think. I think it has dated quite badly. Reminded me a bit of the Before Sunrise movies. So.

Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, Before Midnight, and also a little bit of Boyhood. Yeah. So Boyhood's a movie that Richard Ling later did, but he films it over the course of, like, 12 or 15 years.

But they literally stopped production and then came back five years later and carried on. So you see these kids grow up, which is, you know, kind of similar to this.

But Before Sun Rise, Ethan Hawke is on the train in Vienna, I think, and he sees Julie Delpy and just goes up and he's like, hey, you know, I'm gonna go. My flight's not till the morning. I'm gonna bum around Vienna. Do you want to walk around with me? And they just hang out and talk.

And she's like, no, that's crazy. And he's like, come on.

In 10 years, you're going to be married to some boring guy, and you're going to think back, like, what would have happened if I got off the train? And she gets off the train.

Paul: 00:32:21

He's almost caught in the movie here as well. That's impressive.

Marc: 00:32:24

Sounds good.

Darren: 00:32:24

And they. And they just walk around Vienna talking about what it means to be young, what it means to be female and male, and.

And they fall in love, and it's adorable. And it's done infinitely better than this because I think times had passed.

But then Before Sunrise has a sequel, Before Sunset, which is set, I think, seven or nine years later. So they're a little bit older, and so the characters are kind of in different places of their lives. And again with a sequel after that.

So the reason I'm going on about this is I think that we've got much better at portraying relationships and the dynamics between men and women now. And I think this would be a little bit dated. It's a little bit.

I don't say twee but it kind of is, it's like, it's a very, it's a very shallow kind of almost cartoon character idea of men and women. I think it would be.

And now you'd have much more like diversity or it'd be more about, you know, I don't like the white word woke, but I think we'd have some, you'd have some kind of edge to it now. What do you think?

Paul: 00:33:26

Yeah, I see what you say. I think it still would find its audience just on the car coming here to record this.

Bridget Jones, the new Bridget Jones film has just broken romantic comedy box office records. So clearly there is a market for that kind of rom com thing going on with this particular one. I don't know.

I think it would still probably find an audience somewhere. But like Darren says. Yeah, there's more subtleties maybe in more modern.

Darren: 00:33:51

And also back then in the 80s, we kind of had star theory where you could get an actor and they would carry the movie. So like you wouldn't go to see like a romantic comedy. You go see a Meg Ryan movie. And we had it in the 90s with Sandra Bullock. Yes, Sandra Bullock.

Then we had it with like you'd go see a Jim Carrey movie, you'd go see an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie and that kind of died.

Marc: 00:34:10

Sean Stone.

Darren: 00:34:11

Yeah. But now we have more like character movies. So you'd go watch a Captain America movie but not necessarily Chris Evans movie.

Or we go see a Thor movie but not necessarily a Liam Hemsworth movie. So it depends, like who would.

Paul: 00:34:24

Chris Hemsworth.

Darren: 00:34:25

Yeah, Chris Hemsworth.

Paul: 00:34:27

Just in case the listeners are there going, oh no, he said the wrong. Yeah.

Darren: 00:34:32

So I think it kind of depends who you would cast on this. Like I, it was Zendaya and Tom Holland.

Paul: 00:34:38

I go and watch it.

Marc: 00:34:40

I mean, I think it would also. I've said this about older films. The pacing of it is quite slow compared to what rom coms would be like today. It's. I don't mind that.

Of the younger generation. I don't think would, would stick with it.

Paul: 00:34:54

Yeah, but maybe they're more frantic, I.

Marc: 00:34:56

Suppose, and there'll be more complicated, be more things going on even.

Darren: 00:34:59

Well, even Notting Hill is a big jump forward. I think there's great filmmaking techniques in Notting Hill. There's, there's loads of humor. There's, there's also a little bit more.

The great thing about Notting Hill is there's a woman who's in a wheelchair for no freaking reason at all. It's Just that character happens to be in the wheelchair. And I love it when movies do that kind of stuff.

Marc: 00:35:17

Have to be a reason. It's just life saved.

Paul: 00:35:20

The bit where he throws her in the car and he's like, no, you're coming with us.

Darren: 00:35:23

like a movie that was made in: 1989

And I think romantic comedies have moved on a lot since then and they're much more complex.

Marc: 00:35:39

If somebody came up with a concept of this and there may be the script of it, it need a bit of reworking.

Darren: 00:35:43

Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of you working. I don't say it wouldn't work. I mean, you could easily do it, but I think it would be.

Yeah, you'd have to have a lot of things going on and I don't know what angle you would take. You could go like deeper into mental health stuff, like the anxiety around it.

Marc: 00:35:58

Yeah.

Darren: 00:35:59

Men's loneliness. It could end up being quite depressing because the state of dating right now feels quite depressing, doesn't it?

Paul: 00:36:05

Well, that's the other bit of this isn't that there's no Tinder on this film. It's very old school. It's got that kind of clean slate of how you used to simply people simplistic. And maybe that's why I love it still.

I think it's still got that timeless quality because it's not set in. So if you did do all the whole. A new version and it's got Tinder and swiping and all this kind of stuff, which there is these sort of films because.

Darren: 00:36:26

Have you seen out of Sight, George Clooney?

Paul: 00:36:29

Yeah, I've seen bits of it.

Darren: 00:36:31

I was just curious as to whether you would class that as a romantic comedy.

Marc: 00:36:34

Okay, there's your go. Watch that.

Paul: 00:36:36

I need to watch it.

Marc: 00:36:37

That's a mini worth of watch for you.

Paul: 00:36:38

I think I've seen the end of it, you know, when it's on.

Darren: 00:36:40

Yeah. I'm just trying to think of, like, what's the last romantic comedy that I've seen?

Paul: 00:36:43

I mean, there's one called He's. He's Just not that into youo.

Darren: 00:36:46

That's old as well.

Paul: 00:36:47

But these are quite old films now. Yeah. Because rom coms have kind of. We haven't had any for a while, have we?

Darren: 00:36:52

I think Reese Witherspoon is just really Palm Springs.

Paul: 00:36:55

Oh, Palm Springs.

Darren: 00:36:56

Yeah. But that's A good example of how different it was.

Paul: 00:36:58

Yes. Because if you put that in the 80s, I. Yeah. Different kind of tone of humor, isn't it? But yeah.

Why Nostalgia hits you and you go, oh, I can't say anything. This is Harry Met Sally, damn it.

Darren: 00:37:12

What I'd like it to do is start later on in life. So if it was like two 50 year olds meeting each other.

Paul: 00:37:19

Okay.

Darren: 00:37:19

And just.

Marc: 00:37:20

I'll be the sequel.

Darren: 00:37:21

Yeah. And it's like, well, do you. Are you still believing in love? Then it's like, oh, my God, I'm approaching 50 on it.

Paul: 00:37:28

Before midnight.

Marc: 00:37:29

Yeah, they could do. Yeah, they could do a sequel, but it would be like When Frank Met Jane, older version of that. Okay. Is that test of time covered?

Darren: 00:37:38

Yeah. So in. In conclusion, it would need a bit of update in, but it'd be fine.

Marc: 00:37:42

But it could. It would find a place because men.

Darren: 00:37:44

And women are still a nightmare.

Actually, sorry to go on about it, actually, from what I'm reading in America, US and Australia, men are leaning right wing and women are leading left wing. So you could really explore that in a movie in terms of their beliefs.

Marc: 00:38:01

And trying to find how would that affect a relationship.

Darren: 00:38:02

Yeah, exactly.

Marc: 00:38:04

Okay, so let's move on to part three of the podcast. So in.

In part three, we have Worth a Watch, which probably could do with a better name as well because it makes it think like we're still talking about. Is this movie worth a while?

Darren: 00:38:19

Yeah, yeah, totally.

Marc: 00:38:20

So anyone listening, if you can come with a better name, Worth a Watch, please send it in. And the listener section, which is now an established part of this show, is. We don't know what to call it. What is the. I have the back row.

You're suggesting the balcony.

Darren: 00:38:32

Yeah, the green room.

Marc: 00:38:33

I don't know, something. A section where it's dedicated just to listener interactions, where we will read out your comments, emails, your stories. Yeah.

Paul: 00:38:43

Your take as in.

Marc: 00:38:44

And also in part three, next week's movie. Okay. So Worth a Watch this week is Johnny Trotters. He sent us something in.

Darren: 00:38:54

Okay, what's he got?

Marc: 00:38:55

Johnny Trotter has recommended Blink Twice.

Darren: 00:38:58

Okay. I don't know anything about that movie. I think I've just seen it on a streaming service.

Marc: 00:39:03

He says, I first saw this film in the cinema last year and I must admit I was hesitant. It didn't seem like my kind of film. But as soon I soon became hooked.

It's an amazing film with crazy twists and turns that are set up from the very first shot of the film. It's Very similar to Don't Worry, Darling. No, no, no. Okay. In its themes and narrative, it starts some.

It stars some amazing actors like Channing Tatum, Naomi Aki, Christian Slater, and Gina Davis. That's a good lineup. That is a good lineup, just to name a few. And director directed by Zoe Kravitz.

Darren: 00:39:34

Okay.

Marc: 00:39:35

A really great film with a stellar cast backing up and some great shots and sounds. Really making you feel every moment. I won't say too much more. Just give it a watch. It's genuinely great.

Darren: 00:39:44

All right, so Kravitz being the director's got my attention, so sounds good.

Marc: 00:39:48

Any of you listeners, if you go and check that out, let us know. Email us. Hello, Movies in a nutshell dot com. Or hit us up on our socials. They're in the links in the show notes.

Let us know if you watched it and what you thought.

Paul: 00:39:57

Get it on our list.

Marc: 00:39:59

Yeah. So also, before we reveal next week's episode, I just want to say, if you want to help us here on the podcast, we are new.

The best thing you can do is give us a rating and a review in whichever platform or app you're listening in or share the show. Just share with a friend.

If you can just think of one person who would enjoy this episode or this podcast, send them a link, tell them about us, and you'll be doing us a massive favor. A while ago, we asked a question on our socials. I don't know if you remember, guys. And the question was if you could delete one movie from existence.

Darren: 00:40:29

Yeah.

Marc: 00:40:30

Would it be? And why? I'm gonna ask you guys first, Paul, and ask you.

Paul: 00:40:34

Okay, though at first I was like, you can't delete any movie because even bad movies are sometimes great. And then I thought about. And I'm gonna try and keep this condensed because I feel this could be a full podcast in its sense in itself.

But the fact they didn't put Han, Luke, Leia, and Lando together in a scene in the sequel trilogy is terrible. I still can't get over that fact. Yes, I'm talking about Star Wars. Force Awakens. Kind of enjoyed Last Jedi.

I know I probably get, you know, beaten up for this, but kind of enjoyed. And that's probably my favorite of the three, the Rise of Skywalker. Delete that film. Just do it again, start again, do it correctly.

I don't say this about many films, but when it literally comes up in this spoiler alert, they bring back Palpatine, which it's not a spoiler because it's in the Trailer, the dead has spoken. He comes. But it's just, ah, he's about to explode.

Marc: 00:41:27

Paul's about to explode.

Paul: 00:41:28

Really tried with that film, but then when they get to the Death Star and there's still part of it in a sea somewhere and they're using a dagger that points to a thing that goes to a finder that take. It's like, no, the Death Star exploded in Return of the Jedi. Why is it in the sea over there? Why have they not put the three main leads together?

They could have done something creative with Luke Haunt in Kylo Ren or something, but no, they just have him in a dodgy cameo that retcons everything that happened in the one before. So at first I was very opposed to deleting anything, but I'm like, you know what? Redo that one.

I'm still gonna disagree with the way you went about the whole sequel. Trilogy ends at Return of the Jedi probably. Even though I had quite a bit of joy out of, you know, 7 and 8 to start with. But that.

That ending it off just made it a bitter pill to swallow.

Marc: 00:42:15

That's the angriest I've ever seen him.

Paul: 00:42:18

Darren, do you agree with any of what I said?

Darren: 00:42:20

I don't think you should delete movies at all. And that was my first impulse. I went through the thought process, I said, what movies would I want to delete?

And I remember there's this old black and white movie, like a World War II, I can't remember it's called. It's someone who knows, like, Noble, we're great fighting the Germans kind of type of movies.

And the character's got a little black dog that's actually called the N word.

Marc: 00:42:40

Word.

Darren: 00:42:40

And they call it over and they're saying the N word. And I was like, well, that would. Could do it being taken up. And then I'm like, no, that's a product of its time. And it's. It's. It's bad.

And I don't think we should rewrite history in that way. And I don't think we should cut things because of. They were made in different times. So anything.

Well, maybe like a snuff movie where someone died, but, you know, someone died of Mad Max 2, one of the old map X1. One of the stuntmen died in one of the accidents. And I think that's a shot that's shown on screen. So it's like, well, okay, so where do we go then?

I think, well, some movies have caused, like, copycat crimes like Clockwork Orange and the Director pulled Clockwork Orange, I think for a while because he felt in some way responsible. Not responsible. This is just psychopaths kind of copy in a film that can happen anytime. So I don't think. And then you think, well, you could.

In with your argument, you could easily remove the first suicide Suicide Squad movie because it's trash. But that getting made and being so bad must have angered. Who's the guy? The guy? James Gunn. Yeah.

Marc: 00:43:39

Yeah.

Darren: 00:43:39

To make who they made an amazing version of Suicide Squad. So I just don't think you should remove movies.

Marc: 00:43:46

I think, I think another way it was like, what is the worst movie you've ever seen?

Darren: 00:43:50

Yeah, sure.

Paul: 00:43:51

See, I'm a bit like Darren because sometimes the worst movies are still very enjoyable.

Darren: 00:43:55

Yeah. And also if you look at like Batman and Robin, that's like, you know, it's a worst Batman movie.

But I know people who grew up with the Adam West TV show, so they love it. They love the camp over the top Batman, like Phantom Menace. I don't like it at all. It's awful. I wish that it never got made.

But there's a whole fan base around that and some people love those middle three.

Paul: 00:44:15

I have a special place for Phantom Menace.

Darren: 00:44:17

And then that, that triggered the, the. The. The animated shows like Rebels and Clone Wars. Absolutely. And the final few episodes of Clone wars are insane.

The order 66 stuff is great, great cinema. So, yeah, I. I am. You know, there's bad movies like Hell Comes to Frogtown that I freaking adore. So I just. I don't think we should delete.

Unless you can think of an example where some like, crime or something, they.

Paul: 00:44:45

Made Rey Palpatine's granddaughter.

Darren: 00:44:48

Yeah.

Paul: 00:44:48

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. It's the only one I could think of. But I agree with.

Darren: 00:44:52

No, it's a good argument.

Paul: 00:44:53

I agree with everything else Darren said. Because my first impulse was the same as yours, Darren, which is like. No. And then I remembered my anger for that film.

Marc: 00:45:00

I don't think I'd actually. When I put this out, I wasn't like exactly saying this. We're gonna delete it if you choose it.

Darren: 00:45:06

Yeah, yeah.

Marc: 00:45:06

I just mean that's. Oh, I don't have that you wish you never made or, you know, it's just a. It's a metaphor, really.

Paul: 00:45:11

Yeah, yeah.

Marc: 00:45:12

For me it was Escape from la.

Darren: 00:45:14

How dare you? Steve Buscemi looking over his shoulder.

Marc: 00:45:18

New York. Yes. From la. No.

Darren: 00:45:21

At a surfing.

Paul: 00:45:24

Well, do I need to watch it? Darren?

Marc: 00:45:26

I look back. No, no, I Saw in the cinema with my friends, and I was 15 when it came out. And we. We were all like, this is. This is. After watching. Not long. Re.

Watching the original one. And we were like, so I haven't seen it since. So.

Darren: 00:45:38

No, I agree. It's awful.

Marc: 00:45:39

Would be a good. Okay. But it would be. I wouldn't mind having it on here.

Paul: 00:45:43

Yeah.

Marc: 00:45:43

And analyzing it. And see, see, all these years later, do I still hate as much.

Darren: 00:45:48

But it predicted that whole kind of plastic surgery thing, isn't it? Yes, that was. That was a cool vibe. But yeah, the surfing snake blessing was bad. I get what you're saying. I agree.

Marc: 00:45:56

That's just. Anyway, so what did our listeners say? Jess Beck said Free Guy, I think Ryan Reynolds.

Darren: 00:46:02

Oh, my God.

Marc: 00:46:03

Annoying man in the world.

Darren: 00:46:04

Ryan Reynolds is vomiting movies out a rate of just insanity right now.

Marc: 00:46:11

And they're all just using the money to pay for Wrexham.

Darren: 00:46:14

Yeah, exactly. I can't differentiate between. I don't mind that he's the same character in everything. And I'm just like, I'm done. I can't remember them.

Marc: 00:46:22

Anything you'd like to make?

Darren: 00:46:23

And actually, Tarantino talks about this. He's like, yeah, he's. I'm sure he's getting paid by Netflix. He's making bank. But his movies don't impact the zeitgeist. Like, they're not.

They're just forgettable.

Marc: 00:46:31

Where's Deadpool?

Darren: 00:46:32

Yeah, but that. But that's not part of the garbage he's throwing out. Like, I. You know.

Marc: 00:46:36

So there is something.

Darren: 00:46:37

Yeah, like he. Sometimes he was in Blade Trinity. Like, he can. You know, there's some good stuff that you'll do. But anyway, Jess, that was a valid suggestion.

Paul: 00:46:46

I enjoyed Free Guy, but I can see your point.

Darren: 00:46:48

It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a movie, isn't it? It's a Friday night movie.

Paul: 00:46:53

It was fun. I enjoyed it. But I can see your point.

Marc: 00:46:55

So Ollie Cake said the platform 2.

Darren: 00:46:59

Nope, I haven't seen it.

Marc: 00:47:00

Completely abandons everything that made the first one so enjoyable. Oh, no, we haven't seen it. Okay.

Paul: 00:47:07

But it's annoying when a sequel does do that.

Marc: 00:47:08

Yeah. And you're like, ah, someone we know. Genesee D has messaged in.

Paul: 00:47:12

Oh, okay.

Marc: 00:47:13

She's put a fault in our stars. Awful acting from Ansel Elgort and far too twee. I don't know what the word twee means.

Darren: 00:47:20

That's like the cancer you almost dying and falls in love. Is that what it is?

Marc: 00:47:23

Far Too much?

Paul: 00:47:24

Yes. I haven't seen it yet.

Darren: 00:47:25

No, me neither.

Paul: 00:47:26

But it sounds like she does not like it.

Marc: 00:47:28

She put the word twee, which I think. Did you just say that earlier?

Darren: 00:47:30

Yeah.

Marc: 00:47:31

That's weird because I've never heard of that word before and I googled it. Excessively or affectedly Quaint.

Darren: 00:47:36

Really? Or sentimental, like saccharine and sugary.

Marc: 00:47:40

I've never heard of that word ever. And now I've heard it twice in the space of 20 minutes from 2 different people. That's weird.

Paul: 00:47:45

We're all learning.

Marc: 00:47:47

Pilkington says, the Village,: 2004

Darren: 00:47:51

Lisa was a plot twist.

Marc: 00:47:52

Have anyone seen the Village?

Darren: 00:47:54

No, because I've got bad things.

Marc: 00:47:56

We're gonna see any of these films?

Paul: 00:47:57

No, no.

Marc: 00:47:58

Someone from your socials, Helena Gregory.

Paul: 00:48:01

Okay.

Marc: 00:48:01

Just put Saw throwing up emoji.

Paul: 00:48:04

Oh, that's not a fan of it then. Clearly. No, I've seen any of the Saws either.

Darren: 00:48:09

Like Saw and Hostile. They're like this genre of movies would like, like torture porn or Gorno and I think, yeah, if you don't like seeing people just get tortured.

Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what people get from those movies, but I wouldn't censor them. But, yeah, I get where you're coming from.

Marc: 00:48:27

Okay, so that brings us on to next week's movie, which is my choice.

Darren: 00:48:31

Go for it.

Marc: 00:48:32

I've changed my mind several times, but I am going for something topical that I haven't seen.

Paul: 00:48:36

Okay.

Marc: 00:48:37

Just because I know it's. Everyone's talking about it and it was did well at the time and it looked interesting. I'm gonna go for Glass Onion and Knives Out Mystery.

I don't really know much about it.

Paul: 00:48:45

But I've seen it.

Marc: 00:48:47

Okay. Have you? Have you seen it?

Darren: 00:48:48

I have not seen it. I've seen the first one and I like, like the director.

Marc: 00:48:51

I didn't even know there was a first one, so there you go.

Darren: 00:48:53

Okay.

Paul: 00:48:54

Okay.

Marc: 00:48:54

I shall find out.

Darren: 00:48:55

You don't need to have seen the first one to understand the second one from my. Understand?

Paul: 00:48:58

That's correct.

Marc: 00:48:59

Okay, cool. That's next week's episode. So thank you for listening, guys. If you want to get in touch with us, you can email us.

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Darren: 00:49:26

Episode over. Do that from now on. That's amazing. And this is Darren saying, I'll try and believe in love in future.

Paul: 00:49:32

I'm not your consolation prize, Harry.